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November 09 , 1998 17:55PM 
Umi Hafilda Ali and her brother Azwan - both witnesses in Anwar's graft case -having their breakfast at a stall outside the High Court today. 

KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 9 (Bernama) -- The corruption trial of Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim was told today that under normal circumstances, cases like the allegations of sexual misconduct against the former deputy prime Minister would be handled by the Criminal Investigation Department (CID). 

Datuk Mohamed Said Awang, the outgoing Special Branch director who was also a former CID director, told the High Court that looking at the police report lodged by Anwar, normally, the CID would conduct the investigation into the report. 

He said this in reply to a question from senior deputy public prosecutor Datuk Abdul Gani Patail during re-examination in the trial of Anwar, charged with four counts of corrupt practice by using his position to interfere in police investigations into the allegations. 

Abdul Gani: To whom would the CID refer the result of the investigation? Mohamed Said: The CID would refer (the result of the investigation) to the Attorney-General's chambers. 

When he added: "Probably we would go to Datuk Gani Patail," the court burst into laughter. 

Abdul Gani: Can you tell the court who carried out the investigation into this case? 

Mohamed Said: Both the SB and CID. Abdul Gani: Can you tell the court who took Ummi Hafilda Ali and Azizan Abu Bakar (who made the allegations) into custody and interrogated them? 

Mohamed Said: SB 

Abdul Gani: Why did the SB take them into custody and interrogate them? 

Mohamed Said: We wanted to get the intelligence from them and because of the repeated directions from the accused (Anwar), we have to do a turning over operation, my Lord. 

Mohamed Said told the court that apart from detaining and interrogating Ummi Hafilda and Azizan, they also checked other sources regarding the allegations. 

Abdul Gani: Did SB record any statement from the sources? 

Mohamed Said: No, we only jotted down the information given. 

At this point, Fernando objected, saying that the prosecution was asking leading questions and Abdul Gani rephrased his question. 

Asked whether the SB checked the sources and verified the information, Mohamed Said said they knew the sources of the information collected but "we have no time to verify the information". 

He also agreed that a portion of the report which he submitted to the prime minister was written based on the information collected from these sources. 

However, he refused to reveal the identities of the other sources. 

Mohamed Said also denied that the prime minister had made a request for the report. 

Earlier, he told the court that the SB obtained the retractions from Ummi Hafilda and Azizan as a result of a "successful turning over operation". 

Another defence counsel, Gurbachan Singh, objected when Abdul Gani asked Mohamed Said to explain the word "sukarela" which he had used in the report to the prime minister. 

However, Justice S. Augustine Paul overruled the objection, saying that since the report was introduced by the defence, there was no need for the prosecution to confine itself only to the issues raised during cross-examination. 

Mohamed Said: "When the turning over operation was completed successfully, as in this case, and the fact that Ummi Hafilda and Azizan wrote the letters themselves, for that, I concluded they did it "(secara) sukarela" (voluntarily). 

Abdul Gani: Is that how SB looked at it? 

Mohamed Said: Yes. 

Abdul Gani: In your report to the PM, did you mention the method employed to obtain the statements from Ummi Hafilda and Azizan? 

Mohamed Said: No, I did not mention the method employed to obtain it. 

Mohamed Said also told the court that at the time he wrote the report, the SB investigation was not completed. 

When pressed by Abdul Ghani as to why the investigation was not completed, Mohamed Said said that five days after he submitted the report to the prime minister, the latter made a press statement saying that the case was closed. 

At this point, Fernando, who had objected frequently during the re-examination, said: "This is yet another attempt by the prosecution to go outside the ambit of the (earlier) questions and evidence, both in examination-in-chief and cross-examination." 

After the court overruled the objection, Mohamed Said said: "We have to respect the decision of the PM and that was the reason why I said "tidak bercadang menghalusi kes ini" ("does not propose to scrutinise this case" in the report). In respect of this, I also respect the statement made by PM that the accused was going to succeed him as the PM." 

He said that after the report was prepared, there was no investigation conducted by the SB to ascertain the truth of the allegations. 

Abudl Gani: Why did you propose to stop the investigation in your report to the PM? 

Mohamed Said: Because at that time, we already had letters (from Ummi Hafilda and Azizan) which had to be sent to the PM. -- BERNAMA  


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